but i'll also point out that for a lot of stuff you can get by pretty easily even with an old machine
<midfavila>
i used an IBM A31p throughout most of high school :p
<midfavila>
imho the framework is kind of shit
<midfavila>
its just a macbook with some dongles and they'll sell you spare parts
<midfavila>
comparing the framework and the reform is kind of apples to oranges. the point of the framework is that it's a modern laptop that you can fix. the point of the reform is that it's a machine designed to support libre initiatives from the ground up
<midfavila>
framework might sell you the parts and publish manuals for repair and all that but afaik they don't offer a generic BoM. you *have* to order parts from *them*.
<midfavila>
with the reform, most of it is off the shelf, and what's not has schematics, so you can fab replacement parts or make modifications pretty easily.
<midfavila>
also if i can be honest targeting performance in a laptop is kind of misguided unless you travel a lot for work
<midfavila>
just get a desktop
<midfavila>
a cheapo desktop will trounce a laptop
<midfavila>
oh, the reform has booted with some pretty decent CM4 modules, too. bananapi and soquartz iirc
<sewn>
midfavila: what the fuck how did you use a A31p for hs
<sewn>
also what did you need it for in hs anyway
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you know what I'd like to see more of
<riteo>
source code preservation
<riteo>
like, debian has these huge source archives and even then those are relatively ignored
<riteo>
I have this cute and pretty BD-R of debian but it's all binary software packages AFAIK
<riteo>
just imagine how much software one could fit into a BD-R
<riteo>
hell, perhaps even their whole repos
<sad_plan>
midfavila: yeah, arm is probably fine I supppse. alpine even supports it, so I could probably steal patches from them. theres also other distros aswell. I belive most of the software I use is portable across archetcures anyway. framework is a modern laptop, so i get why you compare it to a macbook. i belive its better than that, but its fine, I suppose.
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hm, so from a repairablilty point, the reform wins. and also, yeah, i agree, performance in a laptop is kinda a no brainer. and I dont need anything super powerfull laptop wise anyway. im mostly happy with what I have on the laptop currently anyway
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<midfavila>
sewn i have a fine motor disability so i typed my notes and such
<midfavila>
~~also I usually finished significantly ahead of everyone and spent the rest of class time dicking around in MUDs~~
<midfavila>
but yeah i just ran TWIN on slackware 14.2 and it was super gomfy
<midfavila>
dual CF cards totalling 64GB in a master-slave config on the IDE interface, plus extra batteries in the expansion bays and stuff
<midfavila>
v nice
<midfavila>
sad_plan: i mean i mostly compare it to a macbook in the marketing department
<midfavila>
fundamentally the framework isnt anything unique or important
<midfavila>
it's just kind of an okay laptop
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sure, theres been several modular and supposedly repairable laptops before. however theres not a whole lot of alternatives to the reform or framework when it comes to repairability in laptops. atleast not to my knowledge. the reform is also terribly niche. midfavila
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<midfavila>
yeah ik im not saying the reform is the end all be all
<midfavila>
im just saying that the framework barely clears the bar for being not *complete* junk
<midfavila>
a cheapo thinkpad + nice desktop would be a better use of money, as an individual
<midfavila>
that being said the framework is the laptop i would suggest to my boss if we were to buy company machines