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| <midfavila> | full X.Org, full systemd, full networkmanager, glibc, on and on |
| <riteo> | auchie I see |
| <riteo> | well I can't blame them |
| <midfavila> | a musl-busybox machine in the tty with minimal background services would likely consume way less power |
| <midfavila> | or, well, not way less |
| <midfavila> | but appreciably less |
| <midfavila> | and i mean i dunno i absolutely blame them |
| <riteo> | I've had a pinephone (until it lasted lol) and the software for ultra-mobile computing is *rough* |
| <midfavila> | at least release your source code |
| <riteo> | no mid the amount of system integration required for this stuff is crazy |
| <riteo> | people underestimate how much work android did to get there |
| <midfavila> | i mean |
| <midfavila> | outside of calls i can already do basically everything i need with off the shelf junk from github |
| <riteo> | yeah but doing it *efficiently* is another thing |
| <midfavila> | i mean yes |
| <riteo> | and doing it with sane APIs for other software |
| <midfavila> | but the r01 isnt going to be a phone-running-linu |
| <midfavila> | linux* |
| <midfavila> | that's the wrong way to look at it |
| <midfavila> | it's not going to be constantly waiting for incoming calls, constantly connected to LTE, etc etc |
| <midfavila> | it's going to be a linux machine in your pocket that happens to have a modem |
| <midfavila> | in that role the uconsole is excellent |
| <riteo> | yet with no suspend and no hw decode |
| <midfavila> | yeah the suspend thing is a problem admittedly |
| <riteo> | which are two things which are going to eat through your battery |
| <midfavila> | hw decode, i don't consider a major issue |
| <riteo> | also, you're still going to make your own little bespoke de which is not trivial as modems are a PAIN to handle |
| <midfavila> | don't watch the entire lord of the rings trilogy on the r01 when ur on the plane or something |
| <midfavila> | riteo no theyre not? |
| <riteo> | uh. maybe I never tried the native linux APIs |
| <riteo> | I had to endure modemmanager on the pinephone and it was pain |
| <midfavila> | i wrote a script that used devfs to push the modem in my toughbook around |
| <midfavila> | no modemmanager or networkmanager |
| <midfavila> | just devfs, ifconfig et al, and posix shell |
| <riteo> | uh |
| <riteo> | nevermind then |
| <riteo> | uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh then it doesn't sound that hard to have a nice and tidy minimal system? |
| <midfavila> | ye its not |
| <midfavila> | i found a libpurple plugin for SMS/MMS from librem |
| <midfavila> | so that can hook into finch |
| <midfavila> | which provides access to irc/xmpp/telegram/discord/etc |
| <midfavila> | and contacts management |
| <riteo> | ohhhhh nice |
| <riteo> | I'm kinda worried about the usability of the telegram/discord stuff |
| <midfavila> | moc for a nice simple menu-based music player |
| <midfavila> | honestly its pretty okay |
| <riteo> | I tried some CLI clients for telegram but they were just painful for anything non-strictly text (obviously) |
| <midfavila> | no images ofc at least not inline but for just IM it's perfectly usable |
| <midfavila> | i use pidgin/finch pretty much exclusively for telegram |
| <riteo> | do you use telegram a lot? |
| Later messages |
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